Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council - 28 August 2014 [Archived]

Teleconference

Advisory Council Attendees:

• Dan Alexander, Vice Chair (DA)
• Cathy Aronson (CA)
• Bill Darte (BD)
• Owen DeLong (OD)
• Andrew Dul (AD)
• David Farmer (DF)
• Scott Leibrand (SL)
• Tina Morris (TM)
• Milton Mueller (MM)
• Heather Schiller (HS)
• Rob Seastrom (RS)
• John Springer (JSp)

Scribe:

• Thérèse Colosi

ARIN Staff:

• Michael Abejuela (MA), Assoc. General Counsel
• Susan Hamlin (SH), Dir., Communications & Member Services
• John Curran, President & CEO
• Nate Davis, COO
• Leslie Nobile, (LN) Dir., Registration Services

General Counsel

• Stephen Ryan, Esq.

Absent

• Kevin Blumberg

Regrets

• John Sweeting

1. Welcome

The Vice Chair called the meeting to order at 2:06 p.m. EDT. The presence of quorum was noted. The Vice Chair acknowledged regrets from the Chair.

2. Agenda Review

The Vice Chair reviewed the Agenda with the AC, and called for any comments. OD requested that Item 11 and 16 be discussed first, due to his time constraints. The Vice Chair stated that these items would be discussed, prior to Item 4, on the Agenda.

BD joined at this time (2:08 pm. EDT).

3. Approval of the Minutes

It was moved by OD, and seconded by JSp, that:

“The Advisory Council approves the Minutes of 17 July 2014, as written.”

The Vice Chair called for any comments. There were no comments.

The motion carried with no objections.

The Vice Chair stated that Item 16. ‘Any Other Business’ would be discussed at this time.

16. Any Other Business

RS joined at this time (2:10 p.m. EDT). The Vice Chair updated him on the Agenda.

It was then moved by RS, and seconded by BD, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council honors the memory of Tim Christensen. The AC thanks Tim for his years of dedicated service to ARIN and the ARIN community. We’ve not only lost a colleague, but a good friend. Conferences (and foosball tournaments!) won’t be the same without Tim’s company.

We are particularly grateful for Tim’s tireless devotion to evolving and refining all of the technological infrastructure that makes ARIN work smoothly. Tim Christensen and his family will remain in our hearts and thoughts forever.”

The motion carried by acclamation. The Vice Chair thanked RS for his words.

The Vice Chair stated that Item 11. ‘Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from Last-Allocation to Total-Aggregate’ would be discussed at this time.

11. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from Last-Allocation to Total-Aggregate

It was moved by OD, and seconded by BD, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council recommends ‘ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from Last-Allocation to Total-Aggregate’ for adoption.”

The Vice Chair called for discussion. OD stated that this Draft Policy received good support with little opposition. He was not concerned with regard to a legal concern raised in the staff and legal review; and, he stated that text can be crafted to address the concern easily.

OD did not believe the Draft Policy made things unfair, or created that big of an advantage for some organizations. He stated the community would suffer with out this Draft Policy. The Vice Chair asked OD to state the legal concern found in the review. OD explained that the review stated that changing the way that utilization is counted could allow large providers to get more address space without using recent allocations at all.

SL stated that he did not oppose the Draft Policy in principle, but the concern is valid for anything that may get adopted prior to IPv4 run out. He stated that one could either revise the language to address the concern, or make sure that the timing of the Draft Policy goes into effect after IPv4 run out. He stated that becoming a Recommended Draft Policy now could lead to it getting approved after ARIN 34, and be too early on the timing for IPv4 run out. He believed it best to revise the text now before the AC moves it to ‘Recommended Draft Policy’ status.

The President stated that the staff and legal review included the concern because it would create an opportunity for parties that would not qualify to suddenly qualify, particularly larger organizations, thereby upsetting equity and fairness. He stated that this can be discussed at ARIN 34 and adopted then, or instead, the AC may amend the Draft Policy to take effect at IPv4 run out. That would be an acceptable editorial change prior to last call, if it were fully discussed with the community during the Public Policy Consultation (PPC). Otherwise, making such a change would mean consideration for adoption at ARIN’s PPC in February 2015.

AD stated that the Draft Policy had support from some organizations, but not others, based on the feedback seen. He was uncertain of the best path forward, given time restrictions. He stated that it might not be as urgent as OD believed.

OD explained that if the AC were to adopt this after ARIN 34, there would not be enough space in the free pool – so the concern about it being put in place before run out is not all that likely. There are organizations that need this Draft Policy, and are having difficulty getting the space they need. They are the small and medium organizations. He did not believe this was a ‘corner case’ issue. He preferred to have it moved forward at ARIN 34, if possible. He was amenable to modifying the text, but did not believe it was necessary. He stated that run out is basically here, and believed it was a red herring.

OD left the call at this time (2:21 pm EDT).

The motion failed with 6 against (BD, DF, SL, TM, RS, JSp), 3 in favor (DA, AD, MM), and 1 abstention (HS) via roll call.

The Vice Chair stated the Draft Policy would remain on the AC’s docket for further work.

The Vice Chair resumed the Agenda in order.

4. Ratified Policies

The Vice Chair presented this informational item. At their meeting on 18 July 2014, the ARIN Board of Trustees ratified the following policies:

• ARIN-2013-7: NRPM 4 (IPv4) Policy Cleanup
• ARIN-2013-8: Subsequent Allocations for New Multiple Discrete Networks
• ARIN-2014-5: Remove 7.2 Lame Delegations
• ARIN-2014-12: Anti-Hijack Policy
• ARIN-2014-13: Reduce All Minimum Allocation/Assignment Units to /24

5. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-1: Out of Region Use

The President stated that staff would provide the draft staff and legal review to the AC.

MM noted nothing startling in the Draft Policy, but that it needed some revision. He stated for the record that he had to leave the meeting in approximately 25 minutes, due to a scheduling conflict.

BD stated that the language in the Draft Policy suggested that ARIN would be requesting utilization data and that LN had stated that it would potentially run afoul of EU privacy issues. He expressed the need to clarify this point and to expect utilization data to correspond to the normal needs of ARIN.

The President suggested tabling the topic for 20 minutes to have time to send the staff and legal review to the AC for review and discussion, however it was found that BD and MM would be unable to participate.

The Vice Chair pointed out that no motion had been made. He stated to MM that if he did not make a motion today, the Draft Policy would be presented at ARIN 34 as just that, and not a ‘Recommended Draft Policy’. The Vice Chair further stated that if MM believed that that was a good idea, the AC could postpone moving it forward, and let the members digest it at ARIN 34.

MM replied that it would be unfortunate to delay moving it forward, and unfortunate that the request for the staff and legal review was mistakenly overlooked. He asked if the staff and legal review was a requirement, or an informational point for the AC’s consideration? The President replied it was informational background for the AC in their consideration of moving to Recommended Draft Policy. He also stated that it was possible for the AC to take an ‘action without a meeting’ via email, but the Policy Development Process (PDP) requires that it be completed 30 days prior to the ARIN Public Policy Meeting (PPM) – ARIN 34.

MM believed it better to read the review, and then try to move it forward via email, within the 30-day timeframe.

SL noted that a motion made today would likely not pass. He supported the President’s suggestion, as did the Vice Chair – who noted that many AC members were not on this teleconference and would need to read and digest the report. The Vice Chair then stated he would let the Chair know of the direction on this policy.

Discussion ensued on the legal implications of doing business in other countries outside of ARIN’s service region, and also whether serving organizations in other countries fits within the parameters of the ICANN Internet Coordination Policy-2 (ICP-2).

DF acknowledge these important issues which had not, to date, been discussed in full detail. He stated it was very important that discussion take place and was glad that the AC was at this point in the process. He was amenable to the Draft Policy going forward as ‘Draft’ and discussing the ‘meat’ of it with a staff and legal review outlining the important legal issues.

The Vice Chair stated the AC would not make a motion to move this Draft Policy forward at this time.

6. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-6: Remove 7.1 (Maintaining IN-ADDRS)

RS stated this was on the AC’s docket, and no motions needed to be made at this time.

OD returned to the call at this time (2:34 pm EDT).

7. Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2014-9: Resolve Conflict Between RSA and 8.2 Utilization Requirements

HS stated that she owed a principles statement to staff, and would send it to SL for his review prior to sending it to staff.

8. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-14: Removing Needs Test from Small IPv4 Transfers

JSp stated this was ready to present at ARIN 34 as a Draft Policy for presentation and discussion.

9. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-15: Allow Inter-RIR ASN Transfers

SL stated that there was no update at this time and that text was ready to present at ARIN 34 as a Draft Policy.

DF stated that there were a number of issues around the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) piece of this Draft Policy, and asked if it were possible for staff to make extended comments in their review, to include technical details. He asked this for the purpose of it to move forward in order to frame a discussion at ARIN 34.

The President explained that DF’s request was asking staff to outline answers to questions that first needed clearer requirements to be performed, and would furthermore need consideration of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF).

DF stated that he was trying to request perhaps a little more detail to prime the questions that need to be resolved to move this forward, so that the community understood the issue.

The President stated that there were still RPKI issues regarding inter-RIR, IPv4 transfers; and, that resolving these issues was an ongoing effort. These were open technical questions to be solved by the RIRs and the IETF.

MM left the call at this time (2:54 pm EDT).

DF suggested that further discussion of this item be taken offline. The Vice Chair agreed.

10. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-16: Section 4.10 Austerity Policy Update

The Vice Chair stated that AD had provided updated text; and, that the Vice Chair needed to post the text to the AC’s Wiki and to the Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) for discussion. The text will be presented as a Draft Policy to ARIN 34. The Vice Chair stated he would post the text as soon as possible.

Counsel left the call at this time (3:00 p.m. EDT).

OD left the call at this time (3:01 p.m. EDT).

11. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from Last-Allocation to Total-Aggregate

Previously discussed.

In the interest of time, and AC members schedules, the Vice Chair stated that Item 13. ‘ARIN-Prop-211: New MDN Allocation Based on Past Utilization’ would be discussed at this time.

13. ARIN-Prop-211: New MDN Allocation Based on Past Utilization

It was moved by AD, and seconded by DF, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council accepts ‘ARIN-Prop-211: New MDN Allocation Based on Past Utilization’ as a Draft Policy.”

The Vice Chair called for discussion. AD stated that Jason Schiller at Google submitted this proposal, and that the text adds to recent MDN work, offering alternatives for new sites. He noted that the text and problem statement were both clear.

CA joined at this time (3:02 p.m. EDT). The Vice Chair updated her on the Agenda.

The motion carried with 10 in favor (DA, CA, BD, AD, DF, SL, TM, HS, RS, JSp) via roll call.

The Vice Chair stated that Item 14 would also be discussed at this time, in order to accommodate AC members who needed to leave the call and to ensure their votes.

14. ARIN-Prop-212: Transfer Policy Slow-Start and Simplified Needs Verification

It was moved by DF, and seconded by BD, that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council accepts ‘ARIN-Prop-212: Transfer Policy Slow-Start and Simplified Needs Verification’ as a Draft Policy.”

The Vice Chair called for discussion. DF stated that he had discussed the text with the authors, and that minor revisions were made to the problem statement. He stated it was ready for presentation at the ARIN 34 meeting and that it needed the community’s input.

The motion carried 10 in favor (DA, CA, BD, AD, DF, SL, TM, HS, RS, JSp) via roll call.

The Vice Chair noted that ARIN staff should use the text that the Chair had forwarded to the AC’s list earlier today.

BD left the call at this time (3:07 p.m. EDT).

The Vice Chair resumed the Agenda at Item 12.

12. Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: Simplifying Minimum Allocations and Assignments

RS stated that no motion needed to be made at this time, and that the text would be discussed at ARIN 34.

13. ARIN-Prop-211: New MDN Allocation Based on Past Utilization

Previously discussed

14. ARIN-Prop-212: Transfer Policy Slow-Start and Simplified Needs Verification

Previously discussed

15. Improve Communications Group (ICG)

ICG members: BD (Group Chair), JSp, CA, and Chris Grundemann (Community member).

There was no update at this time.

16. Any Other Business

The Vice Chair called for any other business. There were no other business items.

17. Adjournment

The Vice Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 3:10 p.m. EDT. JSp moved to adjourn, seconded by RS. The meeting was adjourned with no objections.