ARIN PPC at NANOG 59 Notes - 8 October 2013 [Archived]

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the meeting and welcomed those in attendance.

John began the Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 59 by making meeting-related announcements and introducing those at the head table. He reviewed the meeting rules, agenda and the Discussion Guide. At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 80 people were in attendance. Paul Andersen moderated the policy discussions during the event.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were 7 registered remote participants.]

Update on Advisory Council Activities

Speaker: John Sweeting, ARIN Advisory Council Chair

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Sweeting provided an update on Advisory Council activities. He reviewed the current docket of draft policies and proposals.

• No proposals on docket
• 3 Draft Policies
  • 2013-4
  • 2013-6
  • 2013-7
• AC call for feedback on these policies

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Chris Grundemann, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal noting that this policy is a recommended draft, so it is eligible to go to last call pending community feedback here in Phoenix. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Chris Grundemann, Cathy Aronson, and Owen DeLong
• Introduced on PPML in April 2013 (ARIN-prop-187)
• This draft policy was previously discussed at the ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 58. It will also be discussed at ARIN 32 later this week.
• There is no similar proposal under consideration at any other RIR
• Staff Impact Analysis and Legal Review to be performed at the request of the AC when the Draft Policy is fully developed. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]
• Review of PPML discussion to date.

Chris Grundemann continued with the presentation of the proposal. Chris presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

• Rationale for the proposal
• Overview of text
• Comparison of the terms “conservation” and “sustainability” as it relates to the wording of this policy.
• Some pending text changes that are being considered to increase the clarity of the policy text.
• Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

• This policy codifies principles – does it just create fodder for future arguments?
• It is important to document the principles that guide the process.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy ARIN-2013-6: Allocation of IPv4 and IPv6 Address Space to Out-of-region Requestors

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: David Farmer, Bill Darte, and Milton Mueller
• Introduced on PPML in June 2013 (ARIN-prop-189)
• This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation.
• Review of the policy on this issue at other RIRs.
• Staff Impact Analysis and Legal Review to be performed at the request of the AC when the Draft Policy is fully developed. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

David Farmer continued with the presentation of the proposal. David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

• Rationale for the proposal
• Overview of text
• Determining whether this should be based on plurality or minimum percentage, and if percentage what is the correct amount.
• Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

• This seeks to deal with the issues created by uneven runout of IPv4 across the regions
• If an organization is a legal entity in the ARIN region, then they should be able to get resources. We should not be restricting how they choose to use those resources in their networks.
• Does this preclude organizations from growing their networks to support out of region customers for virtualized services?
• Do we want ARIN involved in law enforcement practices in this way?
• Does this seek to remedy an issue with the IPv4 free pool that will not exist by the time that the policy is implemented? Does this carry long-term implications for IPv6 that we have failed to consider?
• This seems like it could have serious negative implications.
• There are too many cases that might be better served by allowing for a degree of staff discretion, whereas documenting this in policy would bind ARIN to a policy that might not serve some customers with legitimate needs.
• This policy might actually work against the argument for the current Regional Internet Registry structure.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy ARIN-2013-7: Merge IPv4 ISP and End-User Requirements

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Scott Leibrand and Bill Sandiford
• Introduced on PPML in August 2013 (ARIN-prop-190)
• This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN Public Policy Consultation.
• There is similar proposal under consideration at RIPE that applies to IPv6 only.
• Staff Impact Analysis and Legal Review to be performed at the request of the AC when the Draft Policy is fully developed. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

• Rationale for the proposal
• Overview of text
• Change summary - there are a lot of requirements that would need to be standardized in order to reach a uniform requirement set.
• Request for community input

Paul Andersen, Vice-chairman moderated discussion.

Discussion Highlights included:

• This would undo a lot of hard work, and it would require end-users to meet requirements that do not apply to them.
• Not sure there is adequate rationale to justify the level of effort needed to implement this change.
• How would this impact the membership rules and the fee schedule?
• This policy only impacts the requirements for receiving resources, how does this make things more complicated?
• We should not be making IPv4-only policies at this stage.
• We should not lose the distinction between ISPs and end-users.
• This policy is too complex in omnibus form. It dramatically changes both ISP and end-user policies.
• If we are going to have IPv4 only policies, they should promote the adoption of IPv6.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Andersen asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran thanked everyone for their participation and encouraged them to plan on attending ARIN 32 later this week. He also invited attendees to join us for the next PPC at NANOG 60 in Atlanta next February and at ARIN 33 in Chicago in April. He noted that the feedback from all the policy discussions would be provided to the AC for their consideration.