ARIN XXV Public Policy Meeting Day 1 Notes - 19 April 2010 [Archived]

Meeting Called to Order

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the meeting and welcomed those in attendance.

John began the first day of the ARIN XXV Public Policy Meeting by making meeting-related announcements and introducing those present from the ARIN Board of Trustees, the ARIN Advisory Council, and the Number Resource Organization (NRO) Number Council. He also acknowledged those colleagues from the other Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) in attendance and introduced ARIN’s executive team and Meeting Fellowship recipients. John noted that other features of the meeting included the Registration Services help desk, the ARIN Information Center, and a First Timers’ Lunch. He continued with the following announcements:

• 179 total registered ARIN attendees, including 63 from Canada, 91 from the U.S., four from the Caribbean, and 21 from outside the ARIN region, and 48 registered remote participants.
• Thank you to ARIN XXV network connectivity sponsor Telus, and equipment sponsor EGATE Networks.
• Press members in attendance are wearing special press badges. We welcome them to the meeting, and no one will be quoted in any articles without their specific approval.
• Discussed the First Timers’ Luncheon and held the First Timers’ Luncheon Raffle, which was won by Justin Caissie.
• Daily surveys are available online at the ARIN website, and we encourage all attendees and remote participants to enter. Winners for the previous day will be selected at the opening of the meeting each morning. Today’s survey is on Social Media.
• John reviewed the meeting agenda and the printed materials given to each attendee.

At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 138 people were in attendance.

John Curran moderated discussions throughout the day.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were approximately 48 individuals viewing the meeting webcast throughout the proceedings, and 48 registered remote participants.]

Policy Development Process

Speakers: Lee Howard, ARIN Board of Trustees, Policy Development Committee Chair

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Lee Howard provided a presentation on the PDP and new Policy Development Committee.

Highlights included:

• Board noted this version of the PDP is just over a year old, and felt it was time to review the process
• Created a Policy Development Committee to look at the process, not to develop policy
• Committee members, charter, and goals were identified and outlined
• Invited community to contact any committee member with feedback or questions.

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Law Enforcement Agencies and ARIN

Speaker: Robert Flaim, U.S. Department of Justice

Marc Moreau, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Robert and Marc provided a presentation about cooperative efforts among the US and Canadian government and the purpose of government working groups in the RIR system.

Highlights included:

• Goal of RIR Government Working groups is to insure agencies can continue to help prevent criminal activity and maintain the ability to trace criminals effectively.
• Govt. law enforcement is working within all the respective communities to understand how to be involved in Internet security .
• Detailed the current publicly available technologies that law enforcement rely on for investigations
• Emphasized the need for law enforcement to participate to stay informed on what is happening in the industry that can impact the ability to investigate cybercrime in an expedient fashion.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Need for a centralized place to refer law enforcement agents for education on WHOIS and other tools used for investigation
• What process is being used to validate WHOIS information and how often do law enforcement agencies end up contacting abuse contacts registrations in investigations?
• What are law enforcement agencies doing to repair relationships with ISP and address data security concerns?
• Where does law enforcement believe the line should be between information access and personal privacy?

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

POC Validation

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, Director of Registration Services

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Leslie explained the implementation process for POC Validation.

• Phase 1 will begin in June 2010, contacting direct resource holders.
  • ~4 months to complete at 5,000 e-mails per week.
• Phase 2 will begin in December 2010, contacting indirect resource holders.
  • ~12 months to complete at 5,000 e-mails per week.
• Process automated through ARIN Online.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Suggested posting web-content describing this process so e-mail recipients don’t think this message is spam, and so they can understand the process and why we are doing it

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Draft Policy 2010-3: Customer Confidentiality

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Aaron Wendel

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Bill Sandiford and Owen DeLong
• As the petitioner, Aaron Wendel has control of this draft policy during ARIN XXV.
• Introduced on PPML on 9 June 2009 (PP 95) and designated as a draft policy 2 February 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• This draft policy is unique to ARIN. There is no similar policy at AFRINIC, LACNIC or RIPE. APNIC has a similar policy – reassignments are not displayed in WHOIS.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Aaron Wendel, as the petitioner, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Aaron presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale. He concluded that he was withdrawing the proposal based on the things he has learned since arriving at ARIN XXV.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Though this particular draft policy has been withdrawn, the issue still bears consideration and a future policy or process that addresses this topic may be needed.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate) . After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2010-6: Simplified M&A transfer policy

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Bill Darte and Scott Leibrand
• Introduced on PPML on 22 December 2009 (PP 105) and designated as a draft policy 23 February 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights included:

• An overview of PPML Discussion and the complexity of existing Mergers and Acquisitions policy
• Posing of clarifying questions regarding M&A policy and its proposed changes

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• There may be a need for a follow-on policy that establishes a time window for companies that plan to rapidly resell an acquisition and that have no plan to incorporate that acquisition’s resources into their existing systems.
• Highlighted that an 8.2 Merger and Acquisition should happen in tandem with an 8.3 Transfer if both are needed because a transfer can’t be done during a resource review

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Regional PDP Report

Speaker: Einar Bohlin, ARIN Policy Analyst

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Einar Bohlin discussed policy development in the 5 RIR regions, and offered comparisons to show the global interest in specific resource issues. Einar pointed out the value of the comparative policy table available on the NRO website which is updated about four times annually.

Highlights included:

• Proposals were broken out by resource category: IPv4, IPv6, ASN, and “other.”
• Proposals were charted for comparison of status in the other regions.
• There is current discussion regarding the last /8 and what to do with it.

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Internet Number Resource Status Report

Speaker: Leslie Nobile, ARIN Director of Registration Services

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Leslie Nobile presented an NRO report on the current status of all IPv4 address, IPv6 address, and Autonomous System numbers as of 31 March 2010. This report is updated quarterly by all the RIRs and provides up-to-date statistics on rates of IPv4, IPv6, and AS number resource consumption.

Highlights included:

• Status of the 256/8s and IPv4 allocation rates by region from 1999 to 2009, and for the 1st quarter of 2010
• ASN assignment rates by region from 1999 to 2009, and for the 1st quarter of 2009
• IPv6 allocations to the RIRs, and RIR IPv6 allocations by region from 1999 to 2009, and for the 1st quarter of 2010
• Links to all the historical data and raw statistics

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. For discussion details, please see transcript.

Best Current Practices

Speaker: Aaron Hughes, 6connect

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Aaron Hughes provided a presentation about Best Current Practices.

Highlights included:

• Proposing keeping living documents available on best current practices for use by the ARIN community
• An announcement that NANOG 49 will feature a BoF on BCP documentation.
• An announcement that a draft BCP on subnetting /32s has been created.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• A comment that a BCP on /32s will be valuable in making it easier for startup companies to get a clear idea on subnetting without having to dig into more long-winded web content on the topic.

For discussion details, please see transcript.

BGP in 2009

Speaker: Geoff Huston, APNIC Chief Scientist

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Geoff Huston provided a presentation about BGP statistics for 2009 and related routing table issues.

• Described methods for measuring BGP
• Data and reports are continuously updated and published: http://bgp.potaroo.net
• Reviewed BGP in 2009 – growth statistics for IPv4, IPv6 and AS routing
• Provided projections for future BGP table growth

Highlights included:

• In 2009: IPv4 routing table grew by 10%, IPv6 routing table grew by 50%
• Predictions for BGP scaling as we get further in the IPv6 transition
• BGP scaling and stability concerns
• Why BGP update activity shows a smaller growth rate than that of the routing space

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Suggested clarification that stability comes from AS path links
• The impact of IPv4 runout on routing stability
• The relationship between network topology and addressing policy
• The impact of tunnels on IPv6 network behavior and resulting difficulty in data interpretation

For discussion details, please see transcript.

Effects of new prefixes on inter and intra-domain routing scalability

Speaker: Danny McPherson, Arbor Networks

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Danny McPherson provided a presentation about the number of discrete prefixes in the routing system and how they impact routing scalability.

• Overview of BGP
• Routing growth is topology dependent.
• What best route change means and how it is done
• The value of disintermediation
• Why unique routes increasing faster than # of prefixes

Highlights included:

• Policy does impact routing.
• Routing doesn’t follow national boundaries. When you start talking about enforcing those sorts of policies, it could cause problems for routing.

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Draft Policy 2010-2: /24 End User Minimum Assignment Unit

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Owen DeLong, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Dan Alexander and Owen DeLong
• Introduced on PPML on 3 August 2009 (PP 99) and designated as a draft policy 21 January 2010. Current version 2 March 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• This policy is unique to ARIN, however there are existing minimums at the other RIRs.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Owen DeLong, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Owen presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Concern that lowering the boundary to /24 will put strain on backbone providers
• Suggestion to remove the renumbering requirement, but no issue with lowering the minimum boundary to /24;. concerned that the associated workload with renumbering would make the policy unenforceable
• Policy would bring more multi-homed customers online with their own address space.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2010-5: Reduce and Simplify IPv4 Initial Allocations

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Robert Seastrom, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Heather Schiller and Rob Seastrom
• Introduced on PPML on 5 November 2009 (PP 102) and designated as a draft policy 23 February 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Rob Seastrom, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Rob presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Minimum allocation text: /23 minimum allocation

• Concern that the policy would make small ISPs have to work very hard to qualify for allocation

• Concern that restricting ISPs to number resources that they must grow into is not ideal

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Upcoming Services - DNSSEC and RPKI

Speaker: Mark Kosters, ARIN Chief Technology Officer

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Mark provided a presentation about RPKI and DNSSEC.

Highlights included:

• Why DNSSEC and RPKI are necessary
• ARIN’s DNSSEC Deployment
• ARIN has a pilot program that is available and needs feedback.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Comments on RPKI and WHOIS certificates
• Comments regarding RPKI being required to be able to secure the routing system

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

New ARIN Online Features

Speaker: Andy Newton, ARIN Chief Engineer

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Andy Newton provided a presentation about new and upcoming ARIN Online features.

Highlights included:

• API Key Management
• Linking REST & Template actions to your ARIN Online web user
• Key generation…generate as many as you need, deactivate at will…you can associate them with a “from” e-mail address
  POC validation update

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

RIR Update - AFRINIC

Speaker: Adiel Akplogan, AFRINIC Chief Executive Officer

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Adiel Akplogan presented a report on the activities of the AFRINIC community and staff.

• Highlights included:
• AFRINIC at a glance
• Key orientations of 2010 budget
• Current and upcoming projects
• IPv4 and IPv6 allocation/assignment Statistics
• Representation with the NRO, government, and other regional groups
• Events:
  • AFRINIC 12: Kigali, Rwanda, 30 May – 4 June, 2010
  • AFRINIC 13: Johannesburg, South Africa, 20 – 26 November, 2010
  • AFRINIC 14: TBD, 30 May – 4 June, 2011

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

RIR Update - APNIC

Speaker: Geoff Huston, APNIC Chief Scientist

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Geoff Huston presented a report on the activities of the APNIC community and staff.

Highlights included:

• Resource delegations
• Testing IPv4 allocations prior to distribution for “hot spots” in incoming traffic
• Policy and fee changes
• R&D
  • Routing research
  • RPKI with other RIRs
  • DNS Service Dynamics
  • DNSSEC
  • Expanded network measurement/monitoring
  • Day in the Life of the Internet
• Training and education
• Community Consultation

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

ITU Update

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John provided a presentation about recent ITU activities.

• The ITU has begun an internal review to see if the RIR system has done a proper job of preparing for IPv6 needs of developing countries
• RIR’s provided input to the ITU on this topic.
• ITU invited participation of experts and sector members. ARIN participated; found that ITU functions very differently.
• In October the ITU will take on new work items, IPv6 could be taken up as work item at this time.
• If the ITU members decide that it should take on IPv6 registration work, it can do this and become binding on every region and every RIR without Internet community input
• There is an ITU proposal to create a Country-based Registry model.
• ARIN is considering joining the ITU for liaison and education purposes.
• If your organization is large enough to participate with public policy/ITU, please connect us with them so we can help them understand what is going on.

At the conclusion of the presentation, questions were taken from the floor. Highlights included:

• Suggestion that the threat of the ITU is being overstated and more focus should be on the problem of national bordering of the Internet
• An attendee who participated in preliminary RIR discussion on the issue at APNIC stated that he felt the ITU representatives heard what the community was saying and that the outcome of the ITU meeting seemed favorable.
• A counterpoint was offered that even though the initial outcome seemed favorable from the RIR perspective, the ITU does not operate on a consensus basis, so it is still important to keep a close watch on the ITU CIR issue.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Open Microphone

Moderator: Paul Vixie, Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees

Transcript

John Curran opened the microphone for comments from the floor. Paul Vixie moderated the discussion. Topics of discussion included:

• Changes to membership and voting requirements
• A request for statistical details on the size and number of organizations that are participating in ARIN
• The current election model

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran adjourned the meeting for the day at 5:41 PM EDT.

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